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		<title>Comment on Unity and Peacemaking among &#8220;gangs&#8221; by Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/08/06/unity-and-peacemaking-among-gangs/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our newspaper reported that a number of latino gang bangers aka as the latin kings decided to break into a home and beat up one of the occupants.  This gang culture is a cancer in our community and must be cut out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our newspaper reported that a number of latino gang bangers aka as the latin kings decided to break into a home and beat up one of the occupants.  This gang culture is a cancer in our community and must be cut out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons of the Past by Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/07/02/demons-of-the-past/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to go toe to toe at all but for Jorge and others to so quickly cry {racism) makes me wonder. And it's important for dialogue to continue-though we must not be blind to the gang issue either. A recent spate of murder's in L.A were committed by grafitti gangs and their targets ranged from a six year old boy to a 62 year old woman. I cannot think of a more appropriate term for that, than the dreaded disease of cancer.
  I also would like an end to racism but that is something that will never happen. Racism is alive in various forms and practiced in one form or another in many of the world's societies: India, Japan, Russia, Zimbabwe.  Recent "white studies" programs and such professors as Harvard's Noel Ignatiev represent another brand of the same malady.  Justice, peace and respect are wonderful to work for but there are limitations to success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to go toe to toe at all but for Jorge and others to so quickly cry {racism) makes me wonder. And it&#8217;s important for dialogue to continue-though we must not be blind to the gang issue either. A recent spate of murder&#8217;s in L.A were committed by grafitti gangs and their targets ranged from a six year old boy to a 62 year old woman. I cannot think of a more appropriate term for that, than the dreaded disease of cancer.<br />
  I also would like an end to racism but that is something that will never happen. Racism is alive in various forms and practiced in one form or another in many of the world&#8217;s societies: India, Japan, Russia, Zimbabwe.  Recent &#8220;white studies&#8221; programs and such professors as Harvard&#8217;s Noel Ignatiev represent another brand of the same malady.  Justice, peace and respect are wonderful to work for but there are limitations to success.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons of the Past by Kyle Lambelet</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/07/02/demons-of-the-past/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Lambelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby,

I'm not interested in going toe to toe with you, I think reasonable people will work out these questions for themselves.

The argument that I'm trying to make is that gang members are human beings--and like all of us are full of flaws and possibilities. Much of the conversation around gangs that assumes their criminality and compares them to things like "cancer" seems to me to demean their human dignity. Am I saying that all gangs members are working for the betterment of their communities? No. But I am trying to make the case that we should remain open to that possibility; particularly when there are folks like Jorge Cornell who are trying to call for peace, unity and an end to racism. 

If there is going to be real change on the streets, it is going to have to come from the people who are there day in and day out thinking, deciding, and acting together--not from politicians in Raleigh or downtown Greensboro. Let's give Jorge and others room to do their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in going toe to toe with you, I think reasonable people will work out these questions for themselves.</p>
<p>The argument that I&#8217;m trying to make is that gang members are human beings&#8211;and like all of us are full of flaws and possibilities. Much of the conversation around gangs that assumes their criminality and compares them to things like &#8220;cancer&#8221; seems to me to demean their human dignity. Am I saying that all gangs members are working for the betterment of their communities? No. But I am trying to make the case that we should remain open to that possibility; particularly when there are folks like Jorge Cornell who are trying to call for peace, unity and an end to racism. </p>
<p>If there is going to be real change on the streets, it is going to have to come from the people who are there day in and day out thinking, deciding, and acting together&#8211;not from politicians in Raleigh or downtown Greensboro. Let&#8217;s give Jorge and others room to do their work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons of the Past by Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/07/02/demons-of-the-past/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"some people use it to mean a criminal network, some use it to mean (fearfully) young men of color"   
  For starters I dislike the term people (or men) of color as it's purpose is to exclude white people.  And, as you may know there are (were) plenty of white gangs in US history from the plug-uglies of the 1850's to the KKK. And, the Nazi Brown shirts started out as a gang of ruffians as well until they began to demand political acceptance.  
  It's not valid to compare the so-called latin king's with a church congregation that's like comparing a cancer cell with an ameoba simply because their both alive. Nor does your Bush analogy work since most Iraqi civilian deaths are the result ethnic/religious strife. 
   The anti gang legislation is not as vague as you make it out to be and I, for one, support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;some people use it to mean a criminal network, some use it to mean (fearfully) young men of color&#8221;<br />
  For starters I dislike the term people (or men) of color as it&#8217;s purpose is to exclude white people.  And, as you may know there are (were) plenty of white gangs in US history from the plug-uglies of the 1850&#8217;s to the KKK. And, the Nazi Brown shirts started out as a gang of ruffians as well until they began to demand political acceptance.<br />
  It&#8217;s not valid to compare the so-called latin king&#8217;s with a church congregation that&#8217;s like comparing a cancer cell with an ameoba simply because their both alive. Nor does your Bush analogy work since most Iraqi civilian deaths are the result ethnic/religious strife.<br />
   The anti gang legislation is not as vague as you make it out to be and I, for one, support it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons of the Past by Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/07/02/demons-of-the-past/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby, I think your algebra is a little off. 

Gangs certainly is a contested term: some people use it to mean a criminal network, some use it to mean (fearfully) young men of color, and some use it to mean a group of friends. The legislation proposed in the state legislature assumes that any group of three or more "suspicious looking" young people wearing colors is a gang.

The reality is, humans are social creatures. They associate with each other in many different ways. Some of those forms are legitimized by the power structure--chamber of commerce, citizens councils, congregations--and some are not. While there are some groups, associations, and gangs that are violent and destructive (like the Bush gang in the White House with nearly 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq) there are others who are working for the betterment of their communities.

Let's give Jorge and his friends a chance to do the work that they intend to do. Our responsibility is to come alongside them and support their work, not assume guilt by association.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby, I think your algebra is a little off. </p>
<p>Gangs certainly is a contested term: some people use it to mean a criminal network, some use it to mean (fearfully) young men of color, and some use it to mean a group of friends. The legislation proposed in the state legislature assumes that any group of three or more &#8220;suspicious looking&#8221; young people wearing colors is a gang.</p>
<p>The reality is, humans are social creatures. They associate with each other in many different ways. Some of those forms are legitimized by the power structure&#8211;chamber of commerce, citizens councils, congregations&#8211;and some are not. While there are some groups, associations, and gangs that are violent and destructive (like the Bush gang in the White House with nearly 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq) there are others who are working for the betterment of their communities.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s give Jorge and his friends a chance to do the work that they intend to do. Our responsibility is to come alongside them and support their work, not assume guilt by association.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons of the Past by Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/07/02/demons-of-the-past/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The editorial is referring to the news conference held Monday at Faith Community Church, lauding Jorge Cornell for his efforts to reach out to gang members in this area. 

The only way we need to reach out to gang members is a one way ticket out of town (deportation).  Jorge sounds like the proverbial fox complaining that the farmer is unfair because the chicken coop is locked.  Gangs=Crime! not peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The editorial is referring to the news conference held Monday at Faith Community Church, lauding Jorge Cornell for his efforts to reach out to gang members in this area. </p>
<p>The only way we need to reach out to gang members is a one way ticket out of town (deportation).  Jorge sounds like the proverbial fox complaining that the farmer is unfair because the chicken coop is locked.  Gangs=Crime! not peace!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Statement regarding the destruction of 50 boxes of information by the GPD by Ben Holder</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/02/26/statement-regarding-the-destruction-of-50-boxes-of-information-by-the-gpd/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Holder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investigation Finds GPD Officer Followed Laws
Related to Disposal of Information


GREENSBORO, NC – (May 12, 2008) – An investigation by the Greensboro Police Department into allegations that boxes of files related to the Klan-Nazi shootings on Nov. 3, 1979, has found no evidence of wrongdoing by the Police Department.
	Police Chief Tim Bellamy said today that the investigation by the GPD’s Professional Standards Division found that five to 10 boxes of newspaper clippings had been disposed of in late 2001 or early 2002, during former Chief Robert White’s administration. The boxes contained newspaper clippings related to the Klan-Nazi shootings, as well as clippings related to other subversive groups. The boxes did not contain any Police files related to the shootings.
	During the course of the internal inquiry, a box of the clippings were brought forward to the Professional Standards Division, and the contents were examined by the investigators and Chief Bellamy. The remaining box contained only newspaper clippings that addressed a variety of topics related to subversive groups, Bellamy said.
	In late February, the Revs. Cardes Brown, Gregory Headen and Nelson Johnson said a police officer had come to them with concerns that 50 boxes of files related to the Klan-Nazi shootings had been destroyed at the direction of Lt. Craig McMinn.
	However, the investigation showed that Lt. McMinn followed all the proper state and departmental procedures, Bellamy said.
	State laws address the retention of public records and require that records in felony cases be kept for 20 years. Other types of records are required to be kept for shorter periods of time. Under State law, all files related to the Klan-Nazi shootings could have legally been destroyed in 1999.
	In 2005, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission requested records related to the shootings, and the City provided 49 volumes of all related police records. The GPD continues to keep all of those files in a secured location, Bellamy said.
-more-


News Release: Investigation Finds GPD Officer Follows Laws
Page 2
May 12, 2008


	“We would like to thank the ministers for bringing this matter to our attention,” he said. “The Greensboro Police Department continually strives to be an organization of excellence, and we always welcome the input of the public to help us achieve that goal.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investigation Finds GPD Officer Followed Laws<br />
Related to Disposal of Information</p>
<p>GREENSBORO, NC – (May 12, 2008) – An investigation by the Greensboro Police Department into allegations that boxes of files related to the Klan-Nazi shootings on Nov. 3, 1979, has found no evidence of wrongdoing by the Police Department.<br />
	Police Chief Tim Bellamy said today that the investigation by the GPD’s Professional Standards Division found that five to 10 boxes of newspaper clippings had been disposed of in late 2001 or early 2002, during former Chief Robert White’s administration. The boxes contained newspaper clippings related to the Klan-Nazi shootings, as well as clippings related to other subversive groups. The boxes did not contain any Police files related to the shootings.<br />
	During the course of the internal inquiry, a box of the clippings were brought forward to the Professional Standards Division, and the contents were examined by the investigators and Chief Bellamy. The remaining box contained only newspaper clippings that addressed a variety of topics related to subversive groups, Bellamy said.<br />
	In late February, the Revs. Cardes Brown, Gregory Headen and Nelson Johnson said a police officer had come to them with concerns that 50 boxes of files related to the Klan-Nazi shootings had been destroyed at the direction of Lt. Craig McMinn.<br />
	However, the investigation showed that Lt. McMinn followed all the proper state and departmental procedures, Bellamy said.<br />
	State laws address the retention of public records and require that records in felony cases be kept for 20 years. Other types of records are required to be kept for shorter periods of time. Under State law, all files related to the Klan-Nazi shootings could have legally been destroyed in 1999.<br />
	In 2005, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission requested records related to the shootings, and the City provided 49 volumes of all related police records. The GPD continues to keep all of those files in a secured location, Bellamy said.<br />
-more-</p>
<p>News Release: Investigation Finds GPD Officer Follows Laws<br />
Page 2<br />
May 12, 2008</p>
<p>	“We would like to thank the ministers for bringing this matter to our attention,” he said. “The Greensboro Police Department continually strives to be an organization of excellence, and we always welcome the input of the public to help us achieve that goal.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on Truth is the First Casualty of War and Presidential Campaigns! by Claude Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/04/23/truth-is-the-first-casualty-of-war-and-presidential-campaigns/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Claude Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason the links in my article do not work.  The resources referenced in the article include the following:
1) Mary Lyon on the Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-lyon/if-youre-not-angry-and-bi_b_96829.html
2)Nicholas von Hoffman in The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080428/howl
3)The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities
http://www.cbpp.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason the links in my article do not work.  The resources referenced in the article include the following:<br />
1) Mary Lyon on the Huffington Post<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-lyon/if-youre-not-angry-and-bi_b_96829.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-lyon/if-youre-not-angry-and-bi_b_96829.html</a><br />
2)Nicholas von Hoffman in The Nation<br />
<a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080428/howl" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080428/howl</a><br />
3)The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities<br />
<a href="http://www.cbpp.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbpp.org</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Truth is the First Casualty of War and Presidential Campaigns! by Kyle Lambelet</title>
		<link>http://www.belovedcommunitycenter.org/forums/2008/04/23/truth-is-the-first-casualty-of-war-and-presidential-campaigns/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Lambelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Barnes,
Thanks for your thoughtful commentary. It's a breath of fresh air in an increasingly toxic atmosphere of 24 hour a day pundit commentary.
Begin with the Wilmington pogrom of 1898 and walk on up through North Carolina history and you will find a wedge consistently being driven between working class whites and blacks for the purpose of asserting the dominance of an elite class of white business owners and politicos. The price of inclusion on the "white team" for working class white folks was buying into the racist values (and violence) of the elites.
In addition to the resources that you provide in your article, I'd recommend that folks read Randy Johnston's exploration of some of this history at www.progressivemyth.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Barnes,<br />
Thanks for your thoughtful commentary. It&#8217;s a breath of fresh air in an increasingly toxic atmosphere of 24 hour a day pundit commentary.<br />
Begin with the Wilmington pogrom of 1898 and walk on up through North Carolina history and you will find a wedge consistently being driven between working class whites and blacks for the purpose of asserting the dominance of an elite class of white business owners and politicos. The price of inclusion on the &#8220;white team&#8221; for working class white folks was buying into the racist values (and violence) of the elites.<br />
In addition to the resources that you provide in your article, I&#8217;d recommend that folks read Randy Johnston&#8217;s exploration of some of this history at <a href="http://www.progressivemyth.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.progressivemyth.com</a>.</p>
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